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What Comes After Success? - An Episode about Capital Campaign Endings

What Comes After Capital Campaign Success?

Andrew and Rhen close out their capital campaign series by tackling a question many nonprofits don't think about until it's too late: What happens after you hit your goal?  

 

 

Please take note - the work isn't over!  Yes, take time to celebrate (pop that champagne!), but the real opportunity lies in what you do next. This is your chance to transform one-time campaign donors into loyal, long-term supporters of your annual fund.

 

Andrew and Rhen break down the essential tasks for transitioning out of campaign mode, including how to ensure those pledges actually turn into payments. Their advice centers on two key strategies: consistent communication and donor education.  Invest in your donors now, and they'll invest in your mission for years to come.

 

For the pledge redemption resource Rhen mentioned in the episode, check out our Petrus website by clicking HERE.  

 


 

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INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT:

01:10.89 Host Well, howdy, everybody. Welcome back to the Petrus Development Show. I am Rhen Hoehn from Petrus, and joining me today is President and Owner of Petrus, Andrew Robison. How's it going, Andrew?

01:20.45 AROB Great, Rhen.

01:21.83 Host Excellent. We're on part four of four of our breakdown of all the steps of a capital campaign. So if you missed those, go back and start from the beginning. We talked about feasibility studies. We talked about the campaign preparation phase. We talked about executing the campaign itself. Today, we're going to talk about the wrap-up of a campaign and transitioning back to your annual fund, which sometimes can be tricky for some folks. So let's jump right into it. We've gone through the silent phase of a campaign. We've gone through the public phase. We're coming up on the goal. Maybe we just hit the goal. What happens now in terms of the campaign?

01:55.48 AROB Great. So a campaign is a great experience to raise money for whatever your need is: build your new church, launch your endowment, add your 10 new staff members, whatever that is. It's also an excellent time, which we've been talking about, for bringing in new donors to your organization—first-time donors, lapsed donors, people that have given small gifts in the past. Maybe they make a big campaign pledge, and it's helpful to bring them in as campaign donors. But if that's where you stop, then you're not doing the work. You're not positioning the organization for long-term success without the next step, which is stewarding those donors, helping them have the best giving experience they can to your capital campaign. And while they're doing that, begin the work of communicating the ongoing operational needs of your organization and make it easy for them to transition their gift—their campaign gift—over to an annual gift. So it really does require great stewardship. It requires good communication, and that communication's messaging is: the work of this campaign was important, but the ongoing impact of what our organization does every day, every week, every year is so critical. Please continue to support the operations. And so the stewardship of your donors, the communication with them, and then the cultivation of their ongoing support to the organization.

03:42.65 Host Got it. So what does that look like? Let's say we've just hit the goal of the campaign. What needs to happen right away?

03:48.96 AROB Yeah, so I think it's really important to celebrate success, right? In the last episode, we talked about how the campaign can be a really rewarding experience. It can also be the most difficult or challenging experience of a fundraiser or executive director or leadership's time in ministry. And so it's important to take a moment. It doesn't have to be a long moment, but take a moment certainly to celebrate what you've accomplished and what the long-term impact and benefit is. So celebrating the success is critical. That can take a number of different ways, right? We've talked in past episodes about whether your organization should do a gala or should it do a benefit, right? If you don't have one, but people have been clamoring for a big event like this, this is the time to do a big event like this—to celebrate the success of a capital campaign. Bring people together, celebrate, talk about the impact, honor the donors who helped get you there, the volunteers who put in that work. It doesn't have to be a gala, but certainly something that allows you to do that is a great way to celebrate success. So it's important because it honors the moment and the success, and it's also a critical step in stewarding people for ongoing support down the road.

05:24.00 Host Excellent. And so I think that event is part of the stewardship. What are other best practices for stewardship? And does that look different for, say, one of the leadership donors to the campaign versus somebody else who gave in the public phase, maybe a smaller gift?

05:38.18 AROB Yep, so it does look different, yes. And when you move out of your campaign—let's say, for example, you built a new church, right? That's a great time for you to honor your key donors and your key volunteers in a way that can be permanent or even semi-permanent, right? So this could be a plaque on the wall with your campaign committee names, or it could be—if you've... A lot of people, when they're giving to big campaigns, especially building campaigns, there'll be naming opportunities. And so if somebody gave a gift that a statue is named in honor of their parents, for example, or them, that's a good way to bring those people in and to show them: this is a statue that you helped put here that you made possible. Thank you so much. So it's not a capital campaign example, but I remember I was working with a group, and they did a wish list at the end of Christmas one year. And part of one of the things on the wish list was they wanted to buy—and they had classrooms upstairs—they wanted to buy a crucifix for every classroom because they didn't have them. And so they spent, you know, whatever, and they got eight people that gave money to buy crucifixes for the walls. They put them all up. The development director took a picture and just texted that picture to the donors who did it with a thank you so much, here's a picture. And that single act was universally—I mean, it was kind of overwhelming how grateful people were for that small gesture. And so in a capital campaign, it's really important for you to honor the people that gave, whether there's a naming opportunity or not, but honoring those people that made significant investments, certainly. And that takes a million different forms. But the point is, personal and attentive stewardship is always going to be the most well-received.

07:36.97 Host Excellent. So you've kind of completed the campaign. There are several things that were put in place during a campaign that need to essentially come to an end as it wraps up, right? One of the things that comes to mind is the campaign committee. What does it look like to kind of end that committee and wrap things up for them?

07:58.55 AROB Yep. So it's helpful and really a good idea to have a final concluding campaign committee meeting, right? So bring your committee together. You know, a lot of times over a campaign, you start with 20, and at some point people fall off. They're not really that involved. It can be frustrating. You say, "Ah, this person said yes, and then I haven't talked to them for a year and a half. They're not responding to calls." For the formal ending of the committee, I recommend people put all that stuff behind, invite everybody back to be part of the campaign committee final meeting, and celebrate success with them in a kind of small, intimate way. So, you know, this is a good way if it's an organization that has a priest and a rectory, right? Invite them all to the rectory for a final meeting, kind of bang the gavel, say we've completed it, and then have drinks and hors d'oeuvres after to celebrate. So wrapping them up is really important. You also want to start transitioning staff and volunteers from campaign focus to now annual fund focus. So a campaign can be all-consuming for staff when it comes to energy, especially at the end, right? If you're that close to the finish line and there's a mentality of like, "All right, everything is getting put aside until we cross this finish line. We have to do it." And so when you cross it, it's kind of like, "Okay, now what do we do?" And it's important to sit down if you're the leader of the organization or you're part of it to say, "Okay, let's sit down, talk about it, sort of debrief, do an after-action report." A lot of times if you have a campaign consultant, they'll do this with you. But to say, "Okay, the campaign is over. These are all the things that went well. These are the ways that we want to learn for the future. Now what's next is begin to transition back to focus on annual fund operational support."

09:55.05 Host Got it. And you're also kind of closing—when I think back to the preparation phase episode, a lot of things we put in place, it's time to kind of take them back down. So you build out a website for the campaign. You create all these materials for the campaign. In my experience, it seems like when it comes to the campaign website, it's good to kind of move that maybe to the history page of your website saying, "Okay, this happened these years, this is what was accomplished." You don't want it to just totally disappear from the record of what happened in your organization, but you also don't want to leave up those campaign giving options and such so you don't get random gifts or anything or confuse people when they go to make a gift, right? Same thing with all the materials you create, the letterhead, all the gift charts, all that. It's good, I think, to archive those so you can look back at them in the future and know what you did, know what things looked like, know what the branding was like, and pass it on to the next generations of staff so that they have a record of that.

10:52.11 AROB Yeah, I'm doing some work with St. Mary's at Texas A&M where I used to work, now as Petrus. I'm doing some consulting with them, and they have a really great practice: every appeal, every invitation, everything that gets produced by the development office—after it gets mailed or used or distributed, whatever it is—one copy of it gets put into an envelope and then labeled with what it was, when it was, and then it gets put in a file folder in a filing cabinet. So you can go back and open up the drawers of the filing cabinet. It goes back a couple of years now, but you can pull out any appeal, any invitation, any newsletter and look at it right there, which I think is a really good practice. It kind of sounds like, "Well, duh. Yeah. Why wouldn't that be a good idea?" And yet I don't know a lot of organizations that have that level of detail to archiving their materials. And so that's a really simple practice that I think can help future generations of fundraisers and staff down the road.

11:58.80 Host Great. Let's talk about pledge redemption. So you hit the campaign goal with pledges, but you might still be receiving gifts for another year or two after the campaign is done. Do you expect all those gifts to always come in? What does it look like to make sure most or all those gifts do come in over time?

12:17.94 AROB Yeah, you'd love to be at 100% redemption. The fact of the matter is it's not going to happen. So thankfully, religious organizations are usually the highest when it comes to pledge redemption. And so, you know, you look at symphonies or other kinds of social organizations or environmental causes, things like that—a lot of times they do struggle more with pledge redemption. But thankfully, religious organizations, people tend to stick to their pledge. Now, there's going to be cases when they don't, right? They move out of town and they say, "I just can't finish my pledge. I'll make one final gift and that'll be it," right? You hope for some kind of communication. More often than not, they're just going to stop responding, stop sending in gifts and kind of ghost you. So you want to account for that. In my experience with the campaigns that I've either been part of or that I've helped clients with, usually we're looking at like a 93 to 95% pledge redemption rate, which is really good. That number can change dramatically if you have one large pledge that doesn't get fulfilled, but for the most part, that's pretty standard. How do you keep that number high? Good communication, proper stewardship, and make it easy for your donors, right? Tara was telling me about an organization or an experience she had giving to a campaign, and she was trying to make a pledge payment and it ended up being much more difficult to make that pledge payment than she had hoped for. She's a fundraiser. She understands the ins and outs and that things can get tricky sometimes. And so she kind of went through it. But if you're making your average donors jump through a lot of hoops to make their pledge payments, they're just going to stop. And so make it easy. Really rely on simple, convenient payment ways—automatic pledges or automatic pledge payments. I was talking with somebody the other day and they said, "Well, you know, we want to use pledge payments and recurring monthly transactions." And they were like, "Well, that works for like $1,000 a year, but is somebody really going to make a $10,000 annual pledge payment on their credit card?" And I said, "You'd be surprised, and don't assume that they won't." Now it might be where they want that drafted once a year, right? So then you automate that. Most systems can automate monthly, quarterly, annually.

14:53.55 Host Yeah, yeah. 100%. My wife and I were just looking at making a pledge to a campaign last week, and you have to call them during office hours to set it up. Like, man...

14:53.67 AROB But don't presume that somebody doesn't, because I have seen people with a $10,000 pledge payment that make a monthly gift of $833 a month. And that's what they love to do. And it's easy for them and it's good for you. So definitely rely on or move people as much as you can to that automatic pledge payment.

15:22.62 Host During the workday is not what I want to take time to do.

15:25.91 AROB Yeah.

15:26.15 Host Just let me go set it up online and you would have our money already. And here we are a week or two later and I still haven't done it.

15:32.27 AROB Yep.

15:32.58 Host Let's see. Make it easy. Make it as easy as you can.

15:35.67 AROB Yep.

15:36.56 Host Good. So let's talk about transitioning back to the annual fund. Anything specific to kind of keep in mind as you do that?

15:39.35 AROB Yep.

15:42.94 AROB So just keep in mind that ideally, if your campaign was successful, you're going to have a lot of people that gave to the project because they were excited about the growth and maybe don't understand the ongoing needs. So communication and education are going to be really important as you move back into annual fund. Don't think that just because somebody made a campaign gift, they understand the ins and outs of your organization and the work that you do. So really take that opportunity as much as you can to educate your new donors. You know, Matt Bond, who was at Oklahoma State, their campus ministry—because of the way that they sort of got ready for the campaign, what happened before, the state of their development program—95% of the campaign donors were first-time donors to the organization.

16:29.33 Host Wow.

16:29.54 AROB They'd never given before. And so that was really great for the campaign and it positioned them well for after, but you have to assume, well, those people that gave to the campaign, in some cases—well, 95%—they'd never given to the organization before. They didn't have a long history. They didn't understand this. Maybe they didn't know what all was involved in the ministry. They just saw, "Hey, they're trying to build this beautiful building. They need a gift for that," and they made a gift. And so really taking the time to educate and communicate what the impact is. And then again, make it easy, right? If somebody has a pledge payment and it's going to end in June of 2027, be ready in June of 2027 to let them know, "Thank you so much. You just made your last pledge payment. We're so grateful. Would you consider continuing at that level or at another level to support the operations?" You'd be surprised at how many people will say, "Yeah, sure." Some people will say, "Nope, I'm ready to be done with that. I'm happy to be done with it. I'm going to put that money towards something else." Great. That's fine. But a shockingly high percentage of people will say, "Yeah, I don't even remember that I'm giving you $100 a month. Keep it going. If you guys need it"—you have to make the case—"but if you guys need it, then that's totally fine."

17:48.64 Host Great. So you finished the campaign, wrapped it up, transitioned back to the annual fund. Do you ever need to worry about a campaign again?

17:55.77 AROB Yeah, so universities are in three different phases of campaigns: pre-campaign, campaign, and pre-campaign. So the reality, and I say universities because they've been fundraising really well for so long—the reality is that yes, every organization, if you have a successful campaign, at some point down the road, there'll be an opportunity and a reason for you to lead another capital campaign. So plan for that, save all of your materials. Again, going back to that archiving, everything you did. And then begin the—I wouldn't say you celebrate your campaign and then you immediately go and form your campaign committee for the next one, right? Be mindful if people are paying on pledges and everything. But if you have a need and you have an opportunity down the road—a year down the road, two years down the road—it's not too soon to begin planning your next capital campaign if the need is there and if you've done proper stewardship with your donors along the way.

18:58.44 Host Excellent. It seems like, and this isn't a hard and fast rule, but it seems like a lot of bigger organizations, it's something like every decade or so that they're looking at a campaign.

19:07.49 AROB Yeah, I would agree with that. Universities will do—the difference is that now, especially with big universities, if you're a major university and you're doing a campaign of less than a billion dollars in 2025, people are like, "Why even bother?" right? So the size and the scale has gotten so big, but that means that their campaigns are going for five, six, seven years because there's so much discovery and they just sort of rely on that messaging. But that's why you get into this rhythm of planning for a campaign. The campaign is happening, and then you're planning for the next one. So, you know, churches, campus ministries, schools—they don't have that rapidly escalating expenses and that sort of pattern. A seven-year campaign, probably not the way you want to go, but I would say, yeah, once every seven to 10 years, if you're doing short campaigns. There was a guy—I don't remember what episode of the podcast—we interviewed him a long time ago, Jason. And he worked at like a summer camp. And they were—they got into the pattern of using kind of small campaigns. They're all like a million to a million and a half dollars, small campaigns to sort of build out the camp. And so every two years, every three years, they were launching a new campaign for another building on the camp. But he said what that meant was—part of the reason they were able to do that is because it was almost like every campaign they were doing so much discovery and cultivation that every new campaign they almost had like a new batch of donors that was primed for that campaign. So that strategy worked really well for them. It just, you know, maybe that's not the strategy you want to do, but it just sort of opens, you know, illuminates the possibility of: don't think "We did a capital campaign. We're never doing another one." You will do another one if the need is there.

21:09.68 Host Definitely. That was back in episode nine of the Petrus Development Show. That was a while ago now.

21:14.91 AROB What's Jason's last name?

21:16.27 Host Uh, Gerdes?

21:17.46 AROB Yeah, that's right.

21:18.40 Host There we are. Great. Those are kind of all the high points we wanted to hit on the campaign wrap-up. Anything else you want to add before we finish up here?

21:26.87 AROB Yeah, so let's just—I want to make a brief comment on staffing. So as a fundraiser, if your job is—you know, I want to be a professional fundraiser—leading a capital campaign can be a really exciting and really challenging part of your work, right? Whenever you finish it, you cross that line, you say, "Wow, nobody thought we would raise $7 million and we did. Gosh, darn it. I am so happy about that." That sort of accomplishment will open other people, other organizations' eyes to the work that you've done. And it's not uncommon—it's not a guarantee, but it's not uncommon—for people to say, "You led a really great campaign. Come work for me now and do that here." So I think as the fundraiser, you want to be mindful of that and prepared and sort of think in your mind, "Do I want to stay here at this organization and see the building get built, see the program grow, or do I want to celebrate the win and then look for an opportunity where I can go and I can do the next big project?" right? And both of those are noble. Both of those are acceptable, but I think it's important to kind of start imagining what your response to that would be. If you're the leader listening to this, know that when your campaign is over, it's not unlikely that your development director is either going to say, "That was great. Now I want to look for something new," or they're going to be invited to apply for other opportunities because of their success. So again, you as the leader want to be mindful of that and prepare for, "Okay, am I ready to lose this person? Do I want to make an offer to keep them on staff long-term?" Whatever that looks like. I just want to sort of plant that seed that when a campaign is over, there is a natural time for the development director, other staff, to think about, "Do I want to stay here? Do I want to go?" And so both parties need to kind of imagine what that conversation would be like if it comes up.

23:38.11 Host Yeah, I've seen that play out a lot of times among my friends in the development world.

23:40.98 AROB Mm-hmm.

23:42.11 Host So, yep, definitely.

23:42.92 AROB Yeah. Especially if somebody is, you know, they've been in this for three, four years, they lead a campaign, you know, they're at that like six, seven year timeframe. You know, and they want to move up the career ladder or they want to move on to bigger projects, keep doing that. Like, you know, that's a good time to begin thinking about, "All right, what's next in my career?" And so if you're the director, don't be shocked if the campaign is over, you hit the goal, and then your development director comes to you and says, "Hey, this is really great, but I've had an opportunity, I've had an offer to leave and go somewhere else and do another big project." Like, don't be surprised because that happens probably more than it doesn't.

24:29.16 Host Right. Great. Well, to wrap this up, we do have a resource for you. We have a worksheet that gives you the best practices for maximizing your pledge redemption. So if you're worried about maximizing that, go to PetrusDevelopment.com/183 because this is episode 183 of the Petrus Development Show. PetrusDevelopment.com/183. You're going to have a free download for that pledge redemption best practices worksheet there.

24:55.72 AROB Great.

24:56.64 Host And if you're listening to this right when it's released, this is the Monday of Thanksgiving week in the U.S., which means Black Friday deals.

25:05.32 AROB Heyo.

25:05.82 Host And you're going to hear our Black Friday deals right here. And now you can tell us how great they were.

25:15.66 AROB Wow. That's amazing, Ren. Yeah.

25:18.65 Host Excellent. So definitely take advantage of those, and to wrap up, we'd like to finish off with a game.

25:25.56 AROB I think so.

25:27.04 Host I see you're wearing your Notre Dame shirt today. Would you be wearing that if they had beat Texas A&M in football this fall?

25:33.94 AROB No, sir. Well, I don't know. I got this because I went to a conference at Notre Dame. Our summer intern, Josh, went to Notre Dame, and Notre Dame is, you know, as much as a football rival to Texas A&M as they sort of have become in recent years because we had a series back and forth. It's a sort of flagship university of the Catholic Church, and so it's a good place to support.

26:00.38 Host Yeah. That did not decrease the trash talk on the company group text when the football game was happening though.

26:08.68 AROB Yeah, no, no, you got to keep it real.

26:10.56 Host Exactly. All right. So today we're going to play "Keep Three and Cut Three." I got six items for you and they're all Texas barbecue items. You've got to decide which of these three you're going to cut, which of them you're going to keep, and you don't know what's coming next. Let me give them to you one at a time. Sound like a plan?

26:27.48 AROB That sounds great.

26:28.89 Host It really is a thing. I've said this multiple times in recent episodes that I was with you earlier this fall in Texas and everywhere you go, there's barbecue, man. It's just, it's everywhere.

26:39.37 AROB And we have fast food places that all they serve is barbecue.

26:42.41 Host Yes, you do. And gas stations.

26:44.28 AROB We have gas stations that serve really, really good barbecue, too.

26:48.40 Host Really good barbecue. And I cannot wait to get back and go to a Buc-ee's and have some brisket again.

26:52.36 AROB Yeah.

26:54.50 Host All right. So first item you got to decide, are you going to keep it or cut it? Coleslaw. You can go a lot of directions with coleslaw.

27:00.87 AROB Okay. I do like coleslaw. I like it a lot better than other side dishes. There's something about the cool, the sweetness of the coleslaw that pairs really well with either the tanginess of the barbecue or the saltiness of the meat. So I'm going to say, yes, keep it.

27:21.11 Host All right.

27:22.17 AROB I don't have to rank them. Thankfully. Golly. Okay.

27:24.87 Host Are you a creamy coleslaw or a like vinegary coleslaw type of guy?

27:28.14 AROB I like them both, but preferably creamy because it usually means it's a little bit sweeter.

27:33.74 Host I agree. Good choice. All right, next up, corn on the cob.

27:36.01 AROB Thank you. Corn on the cob. Oh, gosh. I like corn on the cob. I think it's good. These—it sounds like these are all side dishes, yeah?

27:47.54 Host I'm not going to tell you one way or the other.

27:49.69 AROB Shoot. Because I don't want to—I would regret filling up my three with side dishes and then having to cut the three meats.

27:57.71 Host I'm going to tell you all of these items. I mean, is there any bad barbecue item when it comes to Texas barbecue?

28:01.98 AROB No.

28:02.03 Host There's going to be some tough decisions here.

28:03.92 AROB I know.

28:04.40 AROB All right. So I'm thinking of what else you might have. You might have a peach cobbler. You might have ribs. You might have brisket. You might have chicken. You might have baked beans. I'm going to say cut the—cut the corn on the cob. Even though I like corn on the cob, I'm going to say cut it because I feel like I have to be a little bit stingy here.

28:26.11 Host All right, all right. We've kept coleslaw, we've cut corn on the cob. Next up is sausage.

28:31.57 AROB Oh, wow.

28:31.80 Host Which, yeah, that's what I—I honestly never really kind of considered sausage part of barbecue until I was there again this fall and we had some jalapeño sausage and man it was good. But it's up to you.

28:32.80 AROB Jalapeño sausage or—

28:40.76 AROB Yeah.

28:43.16 AROB Yeah, it's real good. Yeah. Got you all sweaty thinking about it, huh? So I've kept coleslaw. So of the barbecue meats, I have my favorites. I would put sausage probably in the top three.

29:01.68 Host Okay.

29:02.68 AROB So it's just a question of what else you've got, how many of the ones you've got on the list. I'm going to keep the sausage. If it's a jalapeño, I'll keep it. I'll keep it. Brisket is my number one. I like a lot of barbecue meat. Brisket's number one though.

29:10.50 Host All right, I'll agree with that. Next up, brisket. Oh, hey, there we are.

29:21.84 Host Well, I can't disagree with that. So you have to cut the last two, unfortunately, which there's nothing good to cut from this list. But unfortunately, you're cutting pulled pork. That's kind of a bummer, honestly.

29:26.90 AROB Yeah.

29:32.04 AROB Okay. Well, pork is excellent, but I like brisket more.

29:33.22 Host I like that.

29:37.35 Host And you're cutting ribs.

29:39.22 AROB Oh, dang. You did save all the meat for the end.

29:43.61 Host I had to make it tough.

29:43.77 AROB I'm glad I cut corn when I did. All right. I'm okay with that. Brisket. If you told me sit down and you're giving me a plate with brisket, jalapeño sausage, and coleslaw, like there's no crying on my part. I would be happy with that.

29:59.47 Host That is actually exactly what I ate when I was there. When Matt Bond and Josh and I went out for dinner one night, that's exactly the meal that I ordered. So I can't disagree with you on this list.

30:10.32 AROB Yeah.

30:11.71 Host You've kept sausage, brisket, coleslaw. You had to cut corn on the cob, pulled pork and ribs.

30:16.32 AROB Yeah, I understand.

30:17.14 Host But you can't really lose keeping any of those, honestly.

30:19.16 AROB No.

30:19.42 Host So.

30:19.90 AROB No, yeah, you could flip it and I'd be fine.

30:22.24 Host All right. Well, that was a fun little game. Thank you for entertaining us with that.

30:25.78 AROB Right. Next time, let's do a "Keep Three and Cut Three" of Midwestern foods. How about that?

30:25.94 Host And that was our... Oh, go ahead.

30:33.10 Host Ooh, all right. We'll see how that stacks up.

30:34.82 AROB I don't even know what they'd be, but...

30:38.06 Host I'll make a note of that for next episode.

30:39.11 AROB Okay, yeah.

30:40.93 Host Excellent.

30:41.08 AROB Are there Midwestern foods? Yeah, there definitely are some.

30:42.53 Host Oh, yeah, there are some. It depends on the region, too.

30:44.11 AROB Yeah, don't you know?

30:45.65 Host We'll pull some UP and some broader Midwest. How about that?

30:47.28 AROB Yeah, some pasties.

30:48.29 Host That's got to be on the list.

30:52.32 AROB Okay, good.

30:52.51 Host I guess we'll start with that because you know it's already on the list. Make good choices with that. Maybe we'll have to rank them. Maybe that's the way to do that.

31:00.70 AROB Thanks, everyone.

31:01.75 Host All right. With that, thank you, Andrew. That concludes our series on capital campaigns. And we'll see you back soon with our next episode.

31:09.50 AROB Thanks, Rhen.

 

 

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