Episode 10 Show Transcript: Sarah Robinson & Patrick Glaze

Show Transcript

Sarah Robinson & Patrick Glaze

Andrew: [00:00:00] All right. Well howdy. I’ve got two very special guests today. Sarah Robinson and Patrick Glaze. Both of whom are FOCUS missionaries. That’s the Fellowship of Catholic University Students and they’re both serving at Wichita State right now doing great work on campus and I’m very excited to visit with them about their work as FOCUS missionaries and specifically about how fundraising is woven into their ministry. So Sarah why don’t you tell me just a little bit about yourself where you’re from how you ended up at Wichita State working with FOCUS.


Sarah: [00:00:31] So my name’s Sarah Robinson. I’m from Covington, Louisiana. And I graduated from the University of Mississippi last May 2018. And I applied to be a FOCUS missionary at the beginning of my senior year and got accepted in November and as first years we don’t get any say in where we get placed which is really fun and kind of part of the adventure. So at training this summer in June I found out, they just told me, I’m going to Wichita State University. And so that’s where I am now living in Wichita, Kansas. Someplace that I never thought I’d find myself but I really like it.


Andrew: [00:01:01] Good. Excellent. And when you were a student at Ole Miss how did you get plugged in with FOCUS so you even knew about it?


Sarah: [00:01:09] I had never heard of FOCUS before. I grew up in a very Catholic area. In the New Orleans area Southeast Louisiana. And so very faithful family and never had fallen away from my faith but I had never heard of FOCUS and they came to campus junior year. And it was at our Wednesday night campus ministry fellowship event which was kind of providential that I was even there. But they came and said what FOCUS was and how it exists to fulfill the Great Commission to go out and make disciples of all nations and I was just really captivated by each of the missionaries who kind of explained FOCUS and then each gave like a two minute spiel about why they had said yes to FOCUS and to be missionaries. And I was just really captivated by them. It was when one of the missionaries said “I had to say yes because I knew it was for the salvation of souls” that I just kind of was like, “Whoa ok, there’s more here that I didn’t even understand about my faith.” So it was then through my friendship, and bible study, and walking with the missionaries that I just continued to get more plugged in and then was eventually in student leadership and then applied to be a missionary.


Andrew: [00:02:08] That’s great. And so now you’re in Wichita.


Sarah: [00:02:10] Yes.


Patrick: [00:02:10] And how are you enjoying the community there?


Sarah: [00:02:12] I love Wichita. Yeah it’s funny because they actually often send missionaries from Louisiana to Wichita because it’s just a kind of a similar kind of Catholic culture it’s very Catholic. There’s almost an adoration chapel in every single parish. The Bishop is amazing. It’s just a really blossoming Diocese I think. I think that’s probably why they sent me there but I really like it. And so it’s been an easier transition than I would have thought moving from Louisiana to Kansas.


Andrew: [00:02:36] Good. Excellent. And I’ve also got Patrick Glaze here and Patrick, I’ll let him tell you where he went to school, but suffice it to say the greatest school in the world. Patrick where are you from?


Patrick: [00:02:47] Howdy. My name is Patrick Glaze and I am a graduate from Texas A&M University. I graduated in 2017 and I currently serve at Wichita State for my second year as a FOCUS missionary. I got plugged in my senior year with FOCUS and was known as what we call a “FOCUS hater” for the first my sophomore and junior year. FOCUS came my sophomore year, like Sarah said, came her junior year. And I didn’t really understand what was happening on our campus but understood that there are these new college age looking people who were starting bible studies and ministering to our campus and it wasn’t until my senior year where I had an encounter with a missionary where I wanted to go deeper in friendship. Normally when I would meet the missionaries I just didn’t really connect with them. There’s some of the best men that I know now being part of this organization but I actually encountered two first year missionaries my senior year of college and those were the two men that brought me here to be a missionary.


Andrew: [00:03:48] What are some of the other programs and organizations you were involved with when you were at St. Mary’s?


Patrick: [00:03:53] At St. Mary’s I helped start one organization that was a men’s organization called the Brothers of St. Joseph. I was also involved in John 15 which is a freshman leadership organization at St. Mary’s where we mentor and transition freshman in college to the college dynamic and how they can grow spiritually coming from high school which is very different from college as most people would say. And lastly, my senior year I was a class agent where we had a development campaign for the Class of 2017 only to raise money as a class gift to give back to our parish who had worked with us and given us and fed us both physically (because we have a lot of food at St. Mary’s) but also spiritually for the four years that we were in college.


Andrew: [00:04:36] We’ll come back and talk more about the class gift but how did the class of ’17 gift shape out?


Patrick: [00:04:41] It was awesome. Father Brian, who is there now as the pastor, that was his first year, so we were his first senior class and we wanted to end the year on a good note to leave our legacy as Father Brian’s first senior class. And from what I can remember with the help of Allie Siebert, who is there now in charge of the class gift, I believe we raised over one hundred thousand dollars in pledges my senior year.


Andrew: [00:05:04] I think I remember seeing class of ’17 maybe a hundred and nine thousand for that total. That’s awesome. It’s pretty cool and it’s a great legacy like you said, that the seniors at St. Mary’s can leave for the ministry. Thank you for sharing the story and we’ll kind of dive in a little bit to some of those areas as we go on. But as you know what we are focused on in this podcast for the people that are listening is the fundraising. That’s what we talk about and that’s really why I wanted to have you guys on today is because fundraising is such an integral part of your ministry as a FOCUS missionary. And I hear all sorts of, the full spectrum from FOCUS missionaries and people that are looking to go into it and people that have done it before and not just FOCUS. I’m picking on you guys because you’re here but you know any organization like this that fundraising is a piece of it and some people love it and some people it’s not their favorite part. When you guys were thinking about, when you were exploring this idea of going to be a part of FOCUS, what did you know about that piece of it and how did that drive your decision one way or the other? Sarah I’ll start with you.


Sarah: [00:06:00] So I definitely I was very scared about (laughs) the fundraising. I just didn’t really know how it worked. I found out, I remember, it’s actually funny because often times I think students don’t realize that missionaries fundraise for the first little while. So I remember when I found that out, when FOCUS first got to campus I was like, “What?!?” So just the idea of fundraising your entire salary was just very like, “I don’t know if I could do that,” but the more I was involved in the mission, the more I came to know FOCUS, the more came to know the Lord, I just realized, “Okay that is not a good enough reason for me not to apply to do this” because I really did have a lot of trust and faith that the Lord would provide if this is what I was supposed to do and this is the path that He was calling me to. And with that I think then I even had a little bit more confidence just because I knew that I came from such a supportive area and a very Catholic area in southeast Louisiana where people are just incredibly generous and so I wasn’t too scared that I wouldn’t be able to reach the goal. But then the closer it got when we were starting to learn how to fundraise and all those things (because I didn’t know any of those ins and outs until I got to training this past summer) I was just like, the idea of, “OK I’m actually going to now have to sit down and ask people to join me in this mission,” was definitely a very daunting task.


Andrew: [00:07:06] But I love how you said that your interest and your desire to be part of the ministry was so great that you weren’t going to let fundraising drive you out of that path. And I think that’s great. So that’s a great answer. Had you done any fundraising or had you been involved in anything prior to raising money for your FOCUS missionary?


Sarah: [00:07:27] I really hadn’t. No. I mean kind of just networking and stuff which I feel like is so involved in fundraising and support raising. And At Ole Miss I was part of the Student Alumni Council and different things like that where we’re talking with alumni but it’s never specifically asking for money or anything it’s just kind of that aspect, so, not really. (laughs)


Andrew: [00:07:45] Good. And Patrick how about you? How did fundraising influence your decision to go into this mission field?


Patrick: [00:07:51] So I had no hesitation about fundraising or becoming a missionary. My senior year we had a first year girl and two first year guys. So we pretty much knew what we were getting into. There was nine of us seniors in college who were going to be FOCUS missionaries my senior year and we were pretty much prepped as soon as we said yes on what the expectation was. Our team director there Fallon Scanlan was there for three years and she’s a veteran at her job. She’s one of the most influential people in my life as a missionary and she just immediately indoctrinated us to the life of a missionary which included teaching us about the formation, teaching us about fundraising, and those kind of expectations that we had. So coming in also being a finance major I had taken sales classes I was a part of a program for commercial banking where we had banquets and luncheons once a semester with alumni and high ranking vice presidents, presidents, chief executive officers of any kind of banking organization or industry leading professionals. So we got to interact and network on a regular and consistent basis with men and women of influence in their own organization. So I didn’t really have a hesitation sitting down with people asking for money because although we weren’t asking for money, we learned the skills and the confidence that go into starting a conversation and most importantly, closing a conversation.


Andrew: [00:09:23] Yeah absolutely. And then you were also involved with the program at St. Mary’s, the Class Gift Program, and then you said you were with a student organization on campus and you were in charge of some of the budget for that. Is that right?


Patrick: [00:09:35] Yes sir. So at A&M, as a part of the Class Gift, we were only reaching out to our fellow seniors. Which is awesome. So we were learning how to network amongst our classmates and have them be dedicated to leaving a legacy of their own after they graduate. These are students who range from all scholarship-based to having their parents pay for their whole tuition. So we had students who could give a large amount or could just give the 20 dollars a month pledge (we add to make the class gift…It’s 2017…So every person pledges twenty dollars and 17 cents a month, which is awesome. I love it.) And at the memorial Student Center, which is the organization at A&M I worked as their, basically their CFO my senior year, where I helped create the budgeting process and carry out different development practices that we had as an organization of fourteen hundred members.


Andrew: [00:10:28] What are some of the fundraising programs that you were involved with with that group?


Patrick: [00:10:31] So we, at the very end of the year, give out scholarships to students who are receiving awards and as the number one business affiliated student leader–whatever you want to call it, we were the ones reaching out to donors and making sure all the scholarship money were in place. So my sophomore year I had actually won a scholarship and I’d maintain a relationship with this gentleman who had continuously being giving to the MSC to give us scholarships. So myself and the staff advisor who is in charge of the staff part of the student center, we were in charge of contacting those representatives to make sure the scholarships were still coming in and we worked with the endowments that they were pulling from.


Andrew: [00:11:11] I worked for the University, Texas A&M, for many years in the medical school and we did a lot of scholarships not just for the medical school but I was involved across the board. And one of the things that I learned, kind of came to understand, is how many people that I worked with that were longtime alumni, big donors for the University, they often times pointed to, they told stories about, “When I was in school I received a 500 dollar scholarship” or “I received a full ride scholarship” or whatever it was, “And that really made it possible for me to attend school. That’s why now that we’re in a position to give back, we want to give back.” So it sounds like you had that experience as the recipient and so you were able to then, even as a student, be part of the process on the other side of that, which is really cool.


Patrick: [00:11:57] Absolutely. It’s one of the places that I have dedicated my own tithe to, is specifically St. Mary’s, because of the impact that it played on me and specifically how they form students to be lifelong missionary disciples.


Andrew: [00:12:11] Yeah that’s great. Awesome. Sara when you were in school did you receive any scholarships yourself?


Sarah: [00:12:17] I did actually. I had a full ride to Ole Miss and so, kind of through a bunch of different scholarships, but one, as Patrick was talking kind of reminded me, one specific one was from a donor that I actually never got to meet him unfortunately, but some of my other people in my cohort of that scholarship did get to meet their donors. But we always wrote them thank you notes and kind of kept them apprised of, “Oh here’s what I’m majoring in and this is really being made possible because of you.” And I studied abroad, had that opportunity definitely in part because of the scholarships that I got. And so got to kind of connect a little bit, at least through thank you notes and that type of thing with those donors.


Andrew: [00:12:50] So now I want to dive into your actual fundraising experience. For those who don’t know, why don’t you explain what your requirements are or what do you have to do as a FOCUS missionary from the fundraising standpoint? ,


Patrick: [00:13:03] So as a second yea,r this past summer it was a little different. So I am the only second year on our team. We have a team of six now: Four first years and then a fourth year Team Director. So Katie, our team director, had me split half of our first years and I was a fundraising coach. So this past summer I was actually Sarah’s fundraising coach and another first year, Joseph. So for me it looked different than my first year. In my first year, the requirements specifically to be on campus are to meet a certain monthly minimum requirement of fundraising that goes to our account to allow us to be missionaries on campus. There’s a certain minimum that we have to maintain.


Andrew: [00:13:45] And so these are asking people to contribute 50 dollars a month or two hundred dollars a month or whatever it is to support you.


Patrick: [00:13:52] Yes. So as a first year missionary you go to training for five weeks in Ave Maria, Florida. And then as soon as you leave training for anywhere from four to six weeks you’re fundraising full time, except for Sundays because we believe in Sabbath, and on those other six days of the week we’re fundraising we can have anywhere between three to five meetings a day. We’re making those specific asks for monthly support or one time gifts, depending on the donor. So my first summer I left training with over 70 appointments and I ended the summer with about a hundred, in one summer. Which was very stressful because I actually had a week where I didn’t meet with anyone. So I was freaking out because I had an entire week where I essentially wasn’t fundraising and my team directing at that time and I would talk every day just to understand, “Ok. Why aren’t people calling me back? Who do I need to call?” But as the Lord always does, He provides, and allowed me to meet my requirement that I made for myself for a certain monthly salary. And that’s what we do as first year missionaries. And the second year, this past summer, is a lot of cultivation, where I would meet with mission partners and cultivate that relationship. But I actually had a missionary who left staff, and I went to Wyoming for a week to meet with his mission partners and to add them to my support team, which is awesome. So it’s a lot of meeting face to face, coffee shops, dinners with family friends, maybe a parish talk. I didn’t give one. I don’t believe Sarah gave one either. But some missionaries give parish talks to appeal to their parish, which is another great way to see the universality of the Church funding us as missionaries, which is awesome. That’s pretty much all that we do fundraising-wise for missionaries. But Sarah if she has anything else could speak more into it.


Sarah: [00:15:45] Yeah I don’t know. I think Patrick kind of cover the bases well, but I did actually enjoy fundraising even though it is very stressful and you’re worried about the requirements you’re meeting or not meeting or all of those things. But it really is all about a face to face ask and just kind of getting that one to one time to share your story and to invite people into mission with you. That is what really changed my whole perspective and gave me the confidence needed especially in those first appointments as to not think of it as, “Oh my gosh, I’m going in here and I’m asking this person to support me at a hundred dollars a month, especially as recent college grads were like, “A hundred dollars a month! That’s so much money! How could I ever ask anyone for that?” And then just kind of learning, for many people in the professional world, that’s not asking everything. So just getting to go and share my story and then just invite them along side to mission. And that’s what Patrick was saying with the parish talks. Even with a parish talk the goal of that is really to just get more contacts to then have the one-on-one meetings because that’s always going to be better. And because fundraising really is a part of our mission, just as we are ministering to college students, our mission partners, we also want to share mission with and to just really walk with them in their journey with Christ and obviously we don’t do that as focused as we are on campus but that is a very big part of it. And that’s something I definitely really admire with Patrick is that he’s super good at still just maintaining his cultivation calls throughout each week and keeping up with his mission partners. Which is just vital, because you’re asking people alongside then you gotta hold up your end of the bargain I think.


Andrew: [00:17:10] Totally. One of the things that we talk about a lot with people that we’re working with with Petrus is that development really is a ministry, right? I can’t remember how many people when I was fundraising specifically for St. Mary’s at A&M, I met with a lot of alumni– recent alumni when we were doing the classic gift program and they knew that they were gonna be leaving and the reason why they wanted to give was because they said, “When we were here on campus, we were the mission, you know, we were the ministry. We were leading students to actually being involved.” They said, “Once we leave that doesn’t mean we want to stop being part of the mission, being part of the ministry. And so this is our way to kind of stay part of the ministry, is by supporting and by giving back. And so we had a lot of, I remember, in that role I had a lot of people that gave specifically to the class gift for that reason. But it’s just like what you’re talking about. It really is a ministry in itself. I want to ask you Sarah, who was the first person that you sat down with and asked to be a mission partner? Do you remember that?


Sarah: [00:18:11] I do yes. I don’t know if I should say her name or not but yes, she’s just this woman that my mom, they’re acquaintances. But she’s just very passionate about just Catholicism really and had been familiar with FOCUS somewhat and so it wasn’t very intentional though like, “This is the one that has to be first!” But I do remember it because I was shaking going in and just thinking, “Oh my gosh!” And so the traditional ask is one hundred dollars a month. But they’re always like, “But be bold!” and so I ended up asking for one hundred and fifty or maybe even two hundred and I just remember being like, “Did that come out of my mouth?!” But she’s very receptive and now is on my support team for a hundred and fifty a month and that’s a huge blessing, and so, yes.


Andrew: [00:18:50] And Patrick how about you do you remember the first person that you met with?


[00:18:53] Yes. So I have a little little small worlds colliding back in my home parish so my chaplain from college has a younger brother who was in my dad’s youth ministry in high school. So he was the first one. I met with him and his wife and I believe their three children. And it was just crazy because I’d known this man since he was in college. He had known me since I was basically born and it was just really awesome to get to share my conversion story with him. And he told me that he out of college his biggest regret was not doing something like FOCUS or some kind of evangelization outreach thing after college. So whenever I shared my testimony and interwove the gospel in that and presented that to him, his wife started bawling and it was my first meeting and I’m thinking, ” What did I do?” Basically my senior year of college our team director, Fallon Scanlan, just said,”Present the gospel and present your testimony and then zip the lip.” That’s our terminology. Don’t say anything. So I did that and she starts weeping. And I’m freaking out but I just keep my cool. I’m pretty good at handling women crying because my mom cries a lot. And I was like, “Michelle, are you okay?” And she goes, “Yeah I just..It’s so awesome to see you being transformed from a young age and seeing you walk this journey.” So it was a very memorable experience because the first two meetings I had, that same interaction happened with a wife and then the next day, a father. So it was just two very memorable and impactful interactions with men and women who’ve been journeying with me since basically I was conceived.


Sarah: [00:20:32] I definitely had similar experiences of people that would start crying with it. Because that is such a big part of what we’re doing. It’s really just sharing our story: How did FOCUS impact our life? Why did we want to do this? And how can they come alongside us? And I was always just so moved by people thanking me as I’m asking them for money and so nervous and they’re thanking me and crying about the experience. But it’s just a very humbling experience to be a part of that.


Andrew: [00:20:57] Patrick I want to go back to something that you said. You said that when you started you had 70 appointments and then it grew to 100. How did you even manage sort of a schedule like that with of course everything else you’re going on? But what was your management style that you were able to keep track of all that kind of stuff?


Patrick: [00:21:16] Excel became my best friend. It was Excel and Google Calendar. I learned that my senior year of college from the staff mentor that I had for three years. She taught me (and she’s actually a mission partner now) She taught me how to manage that specific with Google Calendar and Excel. So basically what I had, I had a wedding list from my parents from my brother and sister in law’s wedding where I maintained those contacts. I had an Excel document that my mother had of all of our family contacts. I basically merged them into one document and I just went down a list. Because at training, the last two weeks–weeks four and five– every night of the week, except for one, we have appointment calls where we take two hours out of the night of training and we just call people. So I had a list of roughly over 200 contacts where every single night…


Andrew: [00:22:05] And who are these two hundred contacts?


Patrick: [00:22:07] Strangers that I haven’t probably seen since I was four, parishioners from my home parish, people I worked with in college at A&M, at St. Mary’s, old baseball coaches, mentors from college, anyone that I could think of, that my mom could think of, that my brother and sister in Iaw could think of, because my sister in law was actually a FOCUS missionary too. So she kind of helped me understand the way this worked. So I would literally for two hours a night, we would be in this large meeting area with three or four other teams of missionaries just pounding through lists and calling people. So I would…we all got these planners that had every hour planned out that we would write down all of our appointments. So I’d write them on the planner, add them to my Google calendar, and then just go to the next one. So we did that for two weeks and I think I just called the right people at the right time and they would say yes.


Andrew: [00:22:59] Which of those calls were easier for you to make? The people that you hadn’t talked with since fourth grade or the close family friends?


Patrick: [00:23:06] Easier, definitely the close family friends. But the funnest were the students that I’d known from high school who were on my baseball team who couldn’t believe that Patrick Glaze was being a Catholic missionary. Those were the best and I would talk to a guy for about half an hour on the phone. And my favorite one still is a guy from college. He was my group leader of an organization I was in, who I didn’t talk to for the last four years. And he is one of my biggest mission partners now. Which is awesome.


Andrew: [00:23:37] And and how about you Sarah? Anything for you to add to that process? How did you manage? What did it look like when you came out of training? Did you have a similar schedule to Patrick?


Sarah: [00:23:47] I don’t think I had 70 appointments. I think I probably had about 30 or so leaving training and I was lucky to have a lot of really good contacts that stuck. So I have fewer mission partners than some because as missionaries we all have a different number of mission partners. But I probably had about 30 and that probably got up to like 40-45, maybe 50 appointments throughout July when we we’re fundraising. And that already was kind of overwhelming to me. But same thing just having all the Christmas card lisst from my parents that I would just kind of go through and be calling and saying, “Hi I’m down here in Ave and I’d love to meet with you when I’m back home and tell you a little bit more about what I’m doing!” And even those calls, just as the asks…when you’re in person you have to hype yourself up for…all of us were, the first years are in there and we’re freaking out of even just making our first call. Because you know you have to at least say something like, “I’d love to talk to you about being on my support team” or let them know really what you’re coming to talk about. And I think it was kind of strange because, I think for me it was probably easier with the people that I didn’t know quite as well that were more…that I had met and whatever but really go up close family friends it felt kind of strange to be almost formal in the sense of being like, “I’d love to meet with you to talk about what I’m doing!” But I wanted to do it all right. And so that was kind of fun.


Andrew: [00:25:03] What were some take aways or lessons that you learned throughout that process? Did you change your process as you went through it? Or? Tell me about that.


Patrick: [00:25:09] I think for me it was actually my second summer. So in addition to the nights that we have phone calls we have a boot camp which is two full days, I believe, of training, where my team director Katie had gone two years already. So I went on behalf of her with our three or four first years of that time. So I got to sit through this and kind of lead four first year through their boot camp. So I really learned more having more of the childlike anticipation that I could see from my first years. They were kind of freaking out sometimes but they were mainly just kind of excited as well. Kind of the terrified excitement and I really enjoyed seeing that because it kind of reinvigorated my zeal for fundraising in the summer because being a second year we don’t really have to do a lot more fundraising. If, like for me, I had a very fruitful first summer. So it was also fun, Sarah was one of the two that I got to work with. I actually learned more about the cultural dynamics of giving because I would call her every day for the first week and then after that we talked every few days and she would ask seven people in three days to give and they would say, “Oh we’ll give on Sunday. Sunday rolls around. Nothing’s in the account. I call Sarah. “What’s going on?” She goes, “Patrick, trust me. This is a Louisiana thing. They will give. I know they will.” I said, “Okay Sarah. I trust you. You’re killing it.” So I kind of learned more…just In Texas, where I’m from, they did it the day I asked them to. In Louisiana, they’re just like, “Trust us at our word and we will do this.” So I learned just how awesome it was for Sarah’s community for her just to know that even if it’s not there right now, my community has got my back. And I really liked seeing that from Sarah’s community of mission partners.


Andrew: [00:27:01] And so Sarah, when that was going on did you really feel as confident as you made it sound to Patrick?


Sarah: [00:27:07] Yeah I really did. It was a very beautiful thing but it was very interesting. I Was talking to one of my other friends who’s a missionary for a different organization and they have to fundraise as well. And she’s from Mississippi and it was just a very similar thing. We’d kind of laugh about how, “Ok, whoever wrote this book doesn’t seem like they’re from the south because…” Texas is the south but it’s still different I guess than the deep south you know? And because they are like, “Oh no! You have to follow it. You have to get them to do this, this!” And I was like, “If I call these people back and said what y’all are telling me to say, like absolutely not, I would turn them off and it would be bad for the relationship, not good at all.” So I really did have to trust my gut because I was a first year and very much like, “Ok, well they told me to do this but I really think I need to do this!” And just trust in the Lord. I also I have a lot of trust in these people because it is such a cool unique Catholic community that I really did have a lot of confidence like they’re going to give. And if they haven’t I never thought it was because they were trying to dis me or anything, it was just that they had literally forgotten. So then it would be another follo- up call or a text and they’d be like, “Oh my gosh! I’m so sorry we’ll get on today and do it.”


Andrew: [00:28:05] Tell me about an experience that maybe you went into where you’re meeting with somebody that you thought, “These people are definitely going to be mission partners” that it didn’t turn out that way. How did that experience go and then what did that teach you as you moved through?


Sarah: [00:28:19] I think, I actually, once again I’m just extremely blessed and I didn’t have a single no. Flat out, everyone gave something even if it was just a small, one time gift. So that was a huge blessing but there were definitely some that you see what people do or what they have or all those things and so then I’d be like, “This is the one I’m going to ask for three hundred a month!” Or, you know whatever it may be or just expecting that maybe they would be so excited and then it would be very different than what I thought it would be. A one time gift for less than I thought. Which is all a very humbling experience just to kind of be praying through because you never want to be judging someone off of, “Okay, well you do this, so this is what I think you owe me.” Because that’s not what it’s about at all. So that was just very interesting to see just expectations that we put on people and realize like, “Oh no! Okay.They’re going to do this” and to then turn around and realize, “Okay if I did feel ‘Oh I wish they gave me more’,” to realize, “No. Actually I’m so grateful for what they did give me and hopefully I can cultivate this relationship more and maybe it will be different next time” And then vice versa, there were some that I remember one specific time I was calling some good family friends that I was pretty confident would join my team and they did and were so excited about it, but her daughter, who’s only a couple of years older than me, was in the car too, because it was actually a phone ask, and I told my whole story and Claire told me a story about how a FOCUS missionary had impacted her life because she was in a city and one of her friends was like, “You have to read this reflection. I’m gonna get someone to bring it to you.” And Claire was like, “What? That’s like so extra.” You know? And then a FOCUS missionary in that town did bring her, to her hotel room where she was staying because she has a professional job, brought her this reflection. And so she had been impacted by FOCUS missionary and was so excited to see how it had impacted me and told me that on the phone. I didn’t even ask her anything and then I checked my account the next day and it turns out that she signed up to support me. And I was just blown away because she’s two years older than me and I just never was expecting that.


Andrew: [00:30:15] That’s incredible. And to our point earlier, that was her way of serving out her mission and sort of showing that gratitude to the blessings that she had seen through the organization by being able to support you. Patrick how about yo?. Any experiences that you had that maybe didn’t go the way that you thought they would?


Patrick: [00:30:32] Yeah. So I’ve had two that have gone better in a sense and then one where I was just a fool. So the first one where I was a fool was: I was talking to my Deacon from my home parish and I made the normal hundred dollar a month ask and he told me, he said, “Patrick, I, yeah I’ve known since you were a kid and I’m gonna be honest with you. I could probably give you a tenth of that.” So I said OK. Math. Ten dollars a month with all the percentages and taxes on that would be yeah. Maybe one coffee. I don’t even drink coffee but maybe one coffee a month. And I got very frustrated and we were actually in a team bible study my first summer training and I voiced this concern and my team director took it upon herself to be my first teaching moment as a missionary and she opened scripture and she opens, I believe, Matthew and she of course goes to the widow who drops the two copper coins and the Lord just talks about how she’s given more than all the Pharisees and everyone and I go, ” Okay, Kelsey what’s your point?” And she goes, “Yeah, maybe your Deacon can only give ten dollars. Maybe the Lord is stirring in his heart to make this gift. And are you going to reject the Lord’s movement in his heart just because you’re greedy?” And she just called me out in front of my whole team. And I instantly respected her. I’m an Aggie so I kind of railroad people sometimes and I’m very opinionated. So she immediately won my respect and I called my Deacon later in the month not even about fundraising, just trying to apologize. I never asked him to join I support team because I kind of felt bad. But it was a very good moment where I learned the spirit of fundraising and it was when I was acting a fool.


Andrew: [00:32:25] What were some of those experiences that you said went better than you were expecting?


Patrick: [00:32:29] So I was sitting in my room, frustrated, because I wanted to watch the Home Run Derby, my first summer training in July. It was a tradition my dad and I always did and…”.


Andrew: [00:32:39] You an Astros fan?


Patrick: [00:32:41] No. Cardinals. Cardinals forever.


Andrew: [00:32:43] Hey, Cardinals alright.


Patrick: [00:32:44] Cardinals forever.


Sarah: [00:32:44] Astros, all the way.


Andrew: [00:32:45] We can edit that out. Don’t worry. (everyone laughs).


Patrick: [00:32:47] Whenever I had made this call at training it was the fourth week and I called my buddy who was a group leader of mine and he’s a year older than me and he worked at a private home construction firm. And he goes, “Patrick, this so cool I’m getting to talk to you. I’d love to talk to you in a month.” So I’d planned this a month in advance to call him in July. The last half of July. And I called him and he goes, “Patrick, I was restless all night because I was just so excited to talk to you. I’d been praying about it for the last two weeks what I wanted to give you…” And I go, “Wait, Jacob you’re praying?” And he goes, “Yeah! I’ve been going to a bible study and I’ve been praying.” And I go, “That’s awesome. That’s really awesome.” I said, “Continue. Sorry for interrupting.” And he goes, I’ve been praying and I had a number in mind, but yesterday the Holy Spirit just really made it clear to me that yeah I’m supposed to give more than I wanted to give you.” So at this point I’m silent, which is rare. And I go, “Okay. What is the Lord placing on your heart to give me?” He goes, “Well, first I want to start you off with a fifteen hundred dollar one time gift.” And I said, “Okay. Thank you.” Crying at this point. And then he goes, “I also want to give you seventy five dollars a week.” And I go, “That’s three hundred dollars a month, Jacob.” And he goes, “Yeah I know. I did the math and it’s gonna work out perfectly for my giving and I want to give more to you.” And he goes, “Yeah, and when your big conference rolls around in the winter, give me a call if you need more funds.” So he actually sponsored two students to go to SOS last year. So he is a year older than me and I was gonna ask him for fifty dollars month. Fifty. That’s It. I had no confidence in this man. Just was gonna get this call over with and go watch sports. Classic mistake. And the Lord just completely humbled me and humiliated me in front of this man via the telephone. I was weeping. He was laughing. And It was just an immediate…that was the week after I had the week of not having appointments. So it was a very big affirmation to me at that point that I was called to do this line of work.


Andrew: [00:34:55] That’s great. I think you make a great point there that this is something that maybe you go into maybe feeling confident, maybe unsure, but then you actually go through it and it really does it affirms what you’re doing at the time. And I think that that’s something else that a lot of people don’t realize about fundraising–about development and I have these conversations all the time with people who are, you know, ministries oftentimes they have a vision and they have a big idea and they want to be bold and maybe they want to build a new church or do an addition or start an endowment or whatever it is. And it’s going to take millions of dollars and it always starts with just that boldness of saying, “Here’s my goal. I don’t really know…I can’t say for sure that we’re going to hit the goal other than my trust and my faith that if I do what I’m supposed to do and I follow through with the process and treat everybody as followers of Christ and as part of our mission and part of our ministry, then God will provide.” But that still makes you nervous. And it’s oftentimes there’s a meeting or there’s a visit or there’s a gift or something that just sort of lets you know, “All right. I’m on the right path.” And maybe we’re not there yet. We still have a ways to go but I’m doing the right thing. And so it’s great that you had that phone call with Jacob and I don’t know if you went back and watched the Home Run Derby.


Patrick: [00:36:13] Definitely.


Andrew: [00:36:13] OK. Good. Yeah I still have PTSD about when the Cardinals and the Astros played years ago and Brad Lidge was the closer of…


Patrick: [00:36:23] The shot heard around the world.


Andrew: [00:36:26] Oh no! And Who is the…He plays for the Angels now. I’m blanking on his name.


Patrick: [00:36:30] Oh, Albert Pujols?


Andrew: [00:36:30] Yeah. They kept pitching to that guy and I don’t understand it.


Patrick: [00:36:35] Good times.


Andrew: [00:36:36] Oh yeah. Well it depends on which side of the team you’re on I suppose. Good. Well I appreciate you guys sharing those stories. It’s great to hear how this fundraising has been a part of your ministry and your work in this role. You’ve talked a lot about when you’re telling your story and when you’re sharing the gospel with some of your mission partners or people that you want to be mission partners, what are some of the, for you, I’m sure that you have some guidance on how you might…what the right process is for those meetings when you’re sitting down. But there’s probably also a lot of flexibility for you to kind of tell the story that resonates in a way with you personally. What are some of the scriptures or what are some of the stories of parts of pieces of your testimony that you share when you’re meeting with somebody and asking them to be part of your support team?


Sarah: [00:37:24] Just our personal stories? Kind of what we?…Yeah, basically I just kind of tell my story of when I came to Ole Miss and how FOCUS changed my life because my whole deeper conversion really was a product of FOCUS because I, as a Catholic, faithful Catholic and had never fallen away and was going to Mass and stuff but especially coming into my junior year I really, was like,”Oh I want to be more involved in the faith!” And my idea of being more involved in the faith was either to sign up to be an EMHC or a lector. I just didn’t know there was more. I had never heard of a Catholic Bible study. So when FOCUS came and, I’m sure I’ve heard of them, but it very much like, “That’s for the weird people” or all those different things. So when FOCUS came and there were people that were just so captivating because they exuded such joy because they were clearly living their life for Christ, I was like, “OK these are not only cool people that I think I’d want to hang out with but there’s something different about them.” And then, because of Bible stud,y getting invited into that into just authentic friendship with them and then really coming to encounter the Lord through Scripture and Bible study, learning to read the Bible, and to realize all the things that I had heard my whole life as a Catholic, things like, “Offer it up” or “Discern God’s will” or all those things that I was always kind of like, “Great. How do I do that?” And it was because of FOCUS that I learne that there’s practical ways to discern God’s will and see how he’s speaking through Scripture and how has he spoken throughout your life. And so I think that was really moving what I kind of found for people is just to realize like, because they already thought, “OK wait. Sarah’s Catholic whatever just like us.” But then I was like, “No there’s so much more that I’m discovering. And I would love to invite you into that. That’s why I want to go do this. But it’s not going to be possible without people like you. I can’t get to campus if I don’t have supporters so yeah I want to make this difference that was made for me. But I need help to get there.”


Andrew: [00:39:05] Thst’s great.?And How about you Patrick.


Patrick: [00:39:07] Sarah is absolutely right. My first summer of fundraising it was all about my college experience, how I met these two weird guys who were very joyful and good at sports and liked to eat chicken wings and how…we actually ended up having a Bible study full of 13 senior men at A&M at my house because it was too big for the missionaries’ super tiny apartment. So we had to host it at my house. And through that, coming to a massive conversion on the feast day at the vigil Mass of the feast of Mary, Mother of God. So December 31st. It was two years ago on that day where I had this massive encounter with the Lord in the Eucharist that he invited me into this mission of FOCUS but mainly lifelong Catholic mission as His son. So I shared that a lot and then I shared how I was in a relationship with a woman that everyone knew. All my mission partners had known that I was dating this girl and I ended that relationship due to this call of missionary life of just the Lord asking me to deepen this trust in Him and I share that because a lot of the times I get questions like, “Oh well why didn’t you go to Bank of America? Or why didn’t you go to JP Morgan Chase? Why aren’t you married now?” So I’d have to kind of mix and match my story and testimony to kind of match what they were receiving. Sarah will probably agree with this that a lot of the times it mixed and matched from whatever they were asking of me. So my second summer it was all about my first year of missionary life that I was sharing. And I told my now fiancee this. But at that point in time we were dating. She was a teammate of mine in Tyler. I was…first year missionaries are on a dating fast so I was on a fast until May and we went on our first date two days after my fast and we became boyfriend and girlfriend two days after that. So it was less than a week. It was awesome. But this whole past summer of fundraising I was telling my mission partners that, my life was changed this first year by my teammates, specifically the woman that I was dating and that I was fundraising to buy an engagement ring. And I flat out told everyone and they were like, “That’s amazing. How can we help?” So yeah. Tell us a deeper conversion story of my first year in missionary life. I told them about the woman I wanted to propose to. They all, since it was Christmas Eve when I proposed, a couple days ago that they have all now congratulated me and sent me Christmas cards and they got to walk with me and I invited them,, specifically in this vocational walk with me through their involvement financially as a mission partner.


Andrew: [00:41:38] That’s great, yeah. And congratulations on the engagement. What…I know that you both said earlier what you sort of life after FOCUS right, life after this mission work., What that might look like. Maybe medical school, ,maybe health care somewhere, finance for you. I’m sure your work as a missionary has influence where you see your path going. But how has some of your work in raising support for your mission work influenced your direction in life or your outlook on where you might end up?


Sarah: [00:42:08] I think as you were asking about it, it just popped into my head of to be passionate about whatever it is that comes next. Because, I mean obviously if you’re asking for support in something that you’re doing and even if what comes next like doesn’t..I don’t have to raise support for it. I still want to have that same passion. I am so passionate about what I do and love what I do so much and want to bring the love of Christ to each soul that gets placed in my path that that’s what drives asking for support. That’s why it’s like, “No, I need this because I want to be able to go do this thing that I’m so clearly called to.” So I think, and then obviously just practicals of working with people and I caask really hard questions like, “Will you support me for so and so a month” so that I think breeds some confidence but my first instinct was just that passion for whatever I’m doing that if it wasn’t the situation that I had to you know raise support or something like that for it I would have it because you have to if you’re going to do that.


Andrew: [00:43:02] That’s a great answer and I think that that’s…when we look at our culture and what people, you know fulfillment is something that a lot of people struggle with. Fulfillment in their life and specifically in their career or their work or whatever they’re doing. And just the idea of this experience has helped you show that whatever you’re doing it’s something that you want to be passionate about that that you’re passionate enough that you would go out and ask people to support you doing it, I think is great. So how about you Patrick?


Patrick: [00:43:30] Yeah the missionary life, and specifically the fundraising piece, has actually been the most providential piece of why I’m leaving staff because who I am in my nature, I’m a networker. And this past September we were at our benefactor dinner for our campus ministry, which is where we got to…Myself and the other missionaries…I got to give an address on why benefactors should give to FOCUS. And I had to appeal to the generational gap of, “Yeah when you go to Mass do you see people that look like me? Do you see people at daily Mass, and even Sunday Mass that look like me?” And I got a lot of no’s. Their heads were shaking. So at that same dinner I got to interact with our chaplain’s mom. Of course my team was laughing at me like, “Of course you would go up to Fr. Zach’s mom and interact with her.” So I told her about my undergraduate degree in finance and she goes, “Oh, Why why FOCUS?” She was kind of shocked that I became a missionary and then I go, “Yeah in the financial industry there’s a need. And as a financial services, whatever I do,I’m filling a need. And as a missionary, the greatest need right now the person of Christ. It is our mission as a FOCUS missionary to know Christ Jesus and to fulfill his great commission. That is our is our mission statement. “So whenever I think of jobs,” I told Miss P, I said, “That’s what I want to do. I want to see a need and fill it not just to fill it to make a profit but fill it to be a need that’s lasting. And she goes, “Well I think I have the job for you.” And I go, “What the heck are you talking about? I just met you. And the job that I’m currently interviewing for is that job that she basically offered me that day in September. And it’s to fill the need for families financially for the rest of their life. And I was immediately pierced by her words when she spoke that to me of, “This is the need right now. And I think you can fill it” And I would not be as peaceful with leaving staff because I love FOCUS. It’s given me my future life. It’s given me a relationship with the Lord. But specifically fundraising and just networking gave me this next step of my life, which is awesome.


Andrew: [00:45:40] One more question and then we’ll go to the lightning round questions which I know you’re really excited about. How has your experience influenced your ideas and your perception of personal finance? Being a donor, your tithing is part of that, but just how do you manage your money? “How do you set yourself up to be a good steward of, “in this case right now the support that other people are giving you” but just in general your ideas about personal finance?


Patrick: [00:46:08] This has been a really convicting thing for me over the last two years. So just like at Wichita State every year there’s been someone from Louisiana. Every year there’s been someone from A&M, which is hilarious.


Patrick: [00:46:21] So the previous missionary, he was my mentor on staff and he and I would talk about personal finance and giving. And we both have adopted a mentality of radical generosity and in a sense that I, as of right now, have a adopted this in a sense to where if I have to pick between tithing and putting into a 401K, or I have to pick between paying for a student’s lunch or buying a pair of shorts for myself I always defer externally. So I personally have made the choice to be more radically generous in this time because of the fact that this money has been stewarded to me by the generosity of others but also that it’s two years of my life where anything that I can do to impact my students and my team, yeah, I’m gonna do it. And it’s been very fruitful. My now fiancee talks about how last year she would see me out with guys and there’d be twelve of us at a movie and I’d be able to pay for everyone’s tickets because I had fundraised enough and that, from her standpoint, really transformed her mentality of giving of the sense that, yeah, these college students probably don’t have the money to go to a movie once a month, but as a bible study we did it and I could pay for it. So it allowed conversion to happen because I was more radically available financially.


Andrew: [00:47:41] Yeah. What a great story that then shares to your mission partners, the people that are providing that, knowing that the reason that they’re giving is because they’re supporting you right and they know you’re supporting you because you’re doing this this work. But that’s a very sort of real and tangible way that they’re their actual dollars are serving in your ministry to these other guys that you’re serving. And so I love that. That’s a great story. I love that term radical generosity.


Andrew: [00:48:09] Yeah. How about for you Sarah? Have you given this much thought yourself?


Sarah: [00:48:12] Yeah I think I’m honestly a little embarrassed to say I really just didn’t know Church teaching about tithing or anything much about it. I know my parents do but growing up I guess it just wasn’t talked about so much and so just being a missionary and realizing so much of how we are raising support is because people understand tithing and want to do that has convicted me so much more of, yeah, just because we’re missionaries of course we tithe as well. I support other missionaries and different things…It really is there’s such a joy in that giving. And then very similarly in the practical ways that I can treat students or whatever. And then to tell mission partners about that and I was really kind of saw that from my boyfriend’s actually on a couple of missionary support teams and he would always talk about if one of his good friends, Shane, or whoever would call him up and be like, “Oh man! I took this guy to get a beer” or” to go grab lunch” or whatever and John Michael felt so great about that because he was like, “Yeah it’s so cool to know that in a kind of roundabout way maybe I paid for that beer and for that interaction.” And I was just like, “Wow that’s so cool.” So then for me to be able to just extend that generosity to treating students or being able to…even as a team as well to have fun experiences like paying for the team to all go to the movies or bowling or whatever it may be.


Patrick: [00:49:24] Yeah it’s really fun because I know Sarah brought up a great point of the mission partners feeling welcomed. I had a teammate in my first year; he and I were very fruitful in our fundraising so we were able to treat our students and our female teammates a lot. And every time that he would pay he would say, “All right we’re gonna pray for this mission partner today because it was a 50 dollar gift they gave me and this meal was roughly 50 bucks.” So that’s something that I’ve adopted now. If I take guys out I’m like, “Oh, yeah this was a ninety dollar Chick fil A tray of nuggets for Bible study. We’re gonna pray for my friend from college who donates a hundred dollars a month to me.” And it’s a great way for our students to see, “Oh, other people are giving this money to Patrick and he’s stewarding it for us.” It was a great practice that I saw and that I hoped to pass on to other missionaries to invite them to pray for their mission partners as the money is actually being exchanged.


Andrew: [00:50:21] That’s a great habit. And not even just for the missionaries but also, like you’re talking about with those guys that you’re taking to lunch or you’re taking out to the movies to drive home for them that idea of generosity and Christian stewardship…And not even just stewardship but just the communal body of Christ, right? That there are people all over the world or at least all over the country that are engaging with you in your ministry right there in Wichita Kansas. So that’s really cool. OK good. So I’ve got five questions and we’ll go back and forth. Patrick how about I’ll start with you. First question: If you could fundraise for any organization or cause at any point in history what would it be?


Patrick: [00:51:02] So the immediate one that popped out to me is kind of a serious one. So I’m sorry but it would be to fund all of the political movements against Roe v. Wade. Because in Texas I know that was a big thing going on and I would love to go back in time and pump as much money I could into any legislation or political movement to end that terrible thing that has occurred so far.


Andrew: [00:51:28] Absolutely. Great answer. How about for you Sarah?


Sarah: [00:51:31] I think, kind of in a similar vein, just like women’s health. Just to properly educate people on that there’s amazing women’s health available without contraception and different things like that. I’m very passionate about that.


Andrew: [00:51:44] Great. Excellent. All right so now you get the next one first. If you could get a donor meeting with anyone in the world, living or dead, who would it be with?


Sarah: [00:51:51] OK this might be a little bit of a copout but I…(laughs) No! Not Jesus! JPII, because I just really want to meet and hang out with JPII because I love him so much but also because part of donor meetings if you can’t give then you can connect me to the people that can and so JPII would offer a lot of great contacts.


Andrew: [00:52:12] Totally. He’s got a pretty good rolodex I would imagine. Great. How about for you, Patrick?


Patrick: [00:52:18] The funny one that popped into my head and this is why, so in some donor meetings some people who don’t believe in fundraising, whether they are Catholic or non Catholic, they always ask, “Well, Saint Paul made tents so why do you have to fundraise?” So I would want to have a meeting with Saint Paul and have him tell me why he made tents and also asked people for money in churches.


Sarah: [00:52:44] That’s a question missionaries get a lot is, “Well, why can’t you have another job on the side?” And we’re like, “Well, this is our full time job and it is a full time job!”


Andrew: [00:52:52] Two or three full time jobs.


Patrick: [00:52:54] So that would be my funny one. My real one would be Mother Teresa because there’s this awesome story of her receiving…she’s making an ask to someone. And this man writes a check and, I got told this by a missionary, she receives the check and she looks at him and she prays for a little bit and she’s like, “Does it hurt to give this much?” And he’s like, “No. It doesn’t.” And she rips the check in half and she goes, “I want you to give until it hurts.” And this is probably a multimillion dollar check that she just received, so I would love to ask her for money.


Andrew: [00:53:30] No lack of boldness there from her.


Patrick: [00:53:33] I like to be bold…I think we could just have a great time.


Andrew: [00:53:36] That’s great. Good. Okay so now you’ll get the next one first Patrick. Is there enough money out there for every organization that’s doing good work?


Patrick: [00:53:44] I actually had this conversation with a guy that I was interviewing with, and I believe the answer is yes. There is an example of the city that we live in now of multiple fundraising campaigns happening and everyone got the money they needed. So from my point of view I really think there is enough money in the world to fund all the great things that are happening. It’s just going to take people to make the ask. And I think that’s what’s lacking is nobody wants to ask nowadays. But I think there’s enough money.


Andrew: [00:54:15] I think your point is a good one. That’s what we need is people bold that are willing to go out there and ask. How about for you Sarah, is there enough money out there for every organization doing good work?


Sarah: [00:54:25] Yes, I think so too just kind of what Patrick said. I think it just takes, are you passionate about it and are you willing to go out and talk about it and then invite people along with you? And to be patient too. Because I think there’s definitely, it’s out there, but it just might not all happen at the drop of a hat.


Andrew: [00:54:40] Right yeah. People like to give on Sunday sometimes, right?


Sarah: [00:54:42] Exactly, you gotta wait. (laughs)


Andrew: [00:54:44] You gotta wait Patrick, right?


Sarah: [00:54:45] (laughs again) Patience.


Patrick: [00:54:45] (sighs) Good times.


Andrew: [00:54:48] Sarah, if you could go back in time and offer yourself one piece of advice what would it be?


Sarah: [00:54:52] Oh man. This should be the easy one but… I think just to worry less (laughs). I worry a lot, in college especially. I think that was a big part of my conversion, honestly, was realizing my identity was in the Lord and not in what I did and doing it all perfectly. So just to relax and worry less, and that for sure plays into fundraising too.


Andrew: [00:55:14] Good. How about for you, Patrick?


Patrick: [00:55:17] Yeah. This is a very loaded question but I love it. I actually talked about this with my missionary in college who just got married (shout out to Alec and Claire) but he would talk about, why he became a missionary was he wanted to teach men how to be men. So if I were to go back in time I would do that to myself like teach myself and give myself the tools of what real masculinity looks like; not the 6’4″, fake tan, jacked guys, but the men who can feel, can converse, can be chivalrous, that kind of stuff, who were obviously in love with the Lord first and foremost. I would go back and kind of cast out some of those lies of what I thought masculinity was and give myself some advice because it’s so much easier being a man of the Lord, than what I convinced myself I needed to be in high school. Easier in the sense that I feel loved. It’s not easier because I’m literally dying every day as a man of the Lord. But yeah just I would do that for sure.


Andrew: [00:56:19] Great. Solid. And last question: Who Are three people who have most influenced your growth as a missionary?


Patrick: [00:56:26] Sweet. I’m gonna go chronologically, so first it would be my roommate and best friend, Luke Hicks. We lived together for two years. He had his conversion the year before I did and then we both applied for staff together and were in the same bible study together, which has been awesome. He has been my best friend. He’s a team director in Colorado now. The second one I would say would be the team director at A&M, who is still there in her fourth year, Fallon Scanlan. She was the woman who discipled the missionaries who transformed my life. So through her investment and with the work of the Holy Spirit the men who shaped me were shaped by her and ever since I became a missionary she’s been the number one point of contact for me to seek counsel. Last, but certainly not least, my fiancee Callie. She was my teammate last year and she kind of showed me what it was like to live mission outside of the bubble of College Station. Just showed me the reality of lifelong mission, because she was from Cape Girardeau, Missouri and she was in Tyler, Texas which was like nine hours away. So she was my best friend last year and showed me what it was like to be a devout missionary disciple of the Lord outside of the comfort of the place my conversion took place.


Andrew: [00:57:42] Very cool. And Sarah, how about for you? Who are three people who have influenced you as a missionary?


Sarah: [00:57:47] I think first, they’re kind of a pair, would be Autumn and Liz and they’re the missionaries on campus the first year at Ole Miss. And they’re the ones that just really showed me Jesus. And it’s been very cool as a first year to look back. When I was starting my first Bible studies this year, as a missionary, honestly, I started just with what was done with me the first time, because those were so impactful and I still have my journals and all of that and just basically was like, “I’ll do what Liz did!” Because she did it so well. And Autumn right alongside her, offering the best authentic friendship. One of my best friends still. And, yeah those two for sure. John Michael, my boyfriend, he’s just always…he was my best friend before he was my boyfriend and has been such a man of Christ, I think his whole life honestly, like, how? But he always is there to help me get a great outside perspective I think. And he was involved in FOCUS and all and now works at the DSC but he always is like, “Why don’t you try this?” or just kind of offers fresh perspective when I’m feeling very, kind of bogged down in just the same old thing. And then thirdly, my team director right now, Katie Pesca. She’s just a dear friend and an incredible leader. Much like the first missionaries that I encounter, I’m like, ” You know if I ever, for some reason had to be Team Director or take on that type of role, I would just do exactly what Katie does, because she is just amazing at her job and is such a good disciple to me right now.


Andrew: [00:59:16] Well I have really enjoyed our conversation and it’s very clear that you guys are making an impact there on the campus of Wichita State and not just there, obviously, but lifelong the seeds that have been planted in you through this experience and through this whole conversion that you’ve talked about and spoken of and just the lives that you’ve touched, I’m really thrilled to see where some of that continues to go in the future. So I appreciate you taking the time to sit down with me and have this conversation. And I just want to say thank you.


Patrick: [00:59:46] Thanks Andrew.


Sarah: [00:59:47] Yea thanks Andrew.


Andrew: [00:59:48] Good. And for those of you listening, thank you very much for joining us. I hope that you got something good out of this. And if nothing else you heard from two really stellar young folks who are doing the Lord’s work on campus right now. So thank you very much and have a great day.